5 lug Conversion on Attack

[KiDEclipse]

Some of you can careless if the Rear is 4 lug and front is 5 lugs
But for a perfectionists like me, I would like a uniform look on front and back.

So I did some reseach.

a 5 lug conversion on a 4th Gen Accord is possible.

For a 4th or 5th gen Accord, you can do one of several things. The ENTIRE FRONT suspension from a 5th Prelude WILL swap completely into them. The rear only requires the 5th gen Prelude bearing assembly and rotor. If your car had rear disc brakes, you can use the Accord or Prelude rear caliper. You will be swapping over the front brakes as well. If your car had rear drum brakes, you will need the rear trailing arm from a 4th or 5th gen Accord that had rear disc brakes to accomplish this.

With that in mind, a H22A swap would be even better, with the 5 lug conversion. You kill 2 birds with one stone.

But a question I have is, the rear suspsion on the Attack.
Does it use the Front suspension of the Accord or the Rear suspension of the Accord?

(I guessing most likely the front suspension of a Accord.)

[Alex]

Rear Attack suspension uses the Accord front suspension and the new coilovers are included with the kit. If the 5G prelude is a "direct swap" for suspension and drivetrain then that may be a close suitable donor also.

Where did you get your information?

Thanks, and I agree 5 lug all around is better.

[Watever]

but it will still not be the same bolt-pattern !

i mean the front would be 5x100 for a TT I think and in the back is like 5x114 or something like that for a prelude ?

[ozarkbw]

Yes, that is correct. But you will need a spacer on the rear anyway.(unless you want rear wheels with a 3-4 inch lip!) So the spacer you get can adapt the lug pattern from 5x114.3 to 5x100.

Post number 200! Whoop!

[KiDEclipse]

Info are from good old Honda Tech.

Click here <-----------


The guy have done a 5 lug on his 5th Gen Accord.

Since 4th and 5th Gen Accord have the same Suspension setup, there should be no problem.

(Just notice something. ozarkbw from Attack from also was at the Accord fourm with same question)

I havent look thur all the post. but from what I skim thur, 5 lug conversion on Accord is 100% possible.

just need to know what parts are needed.

[ozarkbw]

I've posted this link before. It's a complete article with pictures on a 5th gen swap. But I don't think the 4th gen is exactly the same. I have been told that someone is working on the 4th gen swap currently. There should be a detailed article soon.

http://www.accordinglydone.com/forum...&threadid=1292

Parts needed:
96 Acura Legend GS Sedan Dual-Piston Front Calipers
-OR-
95+ Honda Accord V6/92+ Honda Prelude VTEC Front Calipers (1L, 1R)

23T Caliper Brackets** (2)
95-98 Honda Odyssey/95-97 Honda Accord V6 Front Knuckles* (1L, 1R)
95-98 Honda Odyssey Front Wheel Bearings (2)
95-98 Honda Odyssey Front Hubs (2)
98+ Acura ITR/97+ Honda Prelude Front Rotors(2)
Rotor Screws (4)

[KiDEclipse]

One thing Alex point out.
And I want to find out.
If a 5th Gen Prelude suspension do indeed can be bolt right on to a 4G Accord, then can a 5G Prelude be a donor as well.

Cos I can get a wreck 97 Prelude for about $4000US.

with min damage only.

[ozarkbw]

I'm sure it can, but you'll have to buy some pieces that won't come on or fit from the Prelude.

For instance:
-The guage cluster is different and probably will not fit.
-The radiator may not fit the Attack mounts.
-The steering rack and column may be different.
-The windshield will be different.

The question is, will it be cheaper to buy an Accord donor and a H22 motor, or buy a Prelude donor (w/ H22) and the necessary Accord parts.

Somebody will have to do the research and math on that before we know for sure.

[KiDEclipse]

Originally posted by ozarkbw
I'm sure it can, but you'll have to buy some pieces that won't come on or fit from the Prelude.

For instance:
-The guage cluster is different and probably will not fit.
-The radiator may not fit the Attack mounts.
-The steering rack and column may be different.
-The windshield will be different.

The question is, will it be cheaper to buy an Accord donor and a H22 motor, or buy a Prelude donor (w/ H22) and the necessary Accord parts.

Somebody will have to do the research and math on that before we know for sure.

Yeah, That I understand.
but some of the parts I plan to either get new parts or have them custom made.

radiator, and windshield I would probably get new.
guage cluster, I am planning to custom fit one
(Cos I found the Accord cluster a bit boring.)

but like you said, I will have to do some research and math first on this.

[Watever]

Originally posted by KiDEclipse


Yeah, That I understand.
but some of the parts I plan to either get new parts or have them custom made.

radiator, and windshield I would probably get new.
guage cluster, I am planning to custom fit one
(Cos I found the Accord cluster a bit boring.)

but like you said, I will have to do some research and math first on this.

I was planning on the same thing !

You want some piece to be has new has possible ! You want a car that will be kinda new not a kit car made of old piece that would break in few miles ! lol ! !

also the Guage is ugly IMO and I think that I could make new ones using Digital Guage, it's just look better and read better ! and you could fit all the temp, volt, etc... gauge in the same place and using the 3 others for clock, compas, etc...

[csjrishere]

I am using a 2000 Prelude because most of the parts are fairly new as compared to the 1990 Accord I have with about 170000 miles.

The Prelude cradle and suspension will not bolt right in...the mounting locations on the cradle are close but are definately different. The upper control arm mounts totally different. Gauge clusters appear very close they swap directly between the 5th gen accord and 5th gen prelude. The steering column is another one that looks similar but will not know until the 2 are sitting side by side.

I will document the changes between the 2 cars once I start and may even have an easy way to madify the chassis to accept the prelude cradle...only time will tell.

[flyrod]

Yes the bolt pattern is different, but if you want to use different sized wheels then you don't need a spacer. Was going to do something like this:

Front
17x7.5 +35 offset 5-100 bolt pattern, 225/45Rr17 tires

Rear:
17x9 +0 (or +5 maybe) offset 5-114.3 bolt pattern, 255/40r17 tires

I picked those sizes because there is a good selection of sticky tires in those sizes. So basically you can replace the spacer in the rear with a wheel that has the right offset. If you want the same wheel on all 4 corners, then you will need a spacer that changes the bolt pattern on the rear.

csjrishere: so the prelude crossmember is wider? Does that mean that prelude axles will be too long? I've seen different h22->accord swap articles; some say use prelude axels, some say use accord axels.

[N2OInferno]

3-4 inch lip.. *drool*

I think some nice 10 or 11 inch rear wheels would go great on my Attack.

[csjrishere]

csjrishere: so the prelude crossmember is wider? Does that mean that prelude axles will be too long? I've seen different h22->accord swap articles; some say use prelude axels, some say use accord axels.

I will scan the sketch that I have showing the differences between the 2 cradles. The cradles are very similar with the front 4 holes are identical...its the real 4 holes that are different. They mount at different elevations I guess you would say.

I think the front track measurement is the same on the 2 cars.

[Martaigne]

Originally posted by KiDEclipse
Info are from good old Honda Tech.

Click here <-----------


The guy have done a 5 lug on his 5th Gen Accord.

The information at the beginning of this thread is no longer accurate.

In order to achieve a 5-lug swap on a 5th gen Accord, you can still use the entire Prelude front suspension... this includes tie rod ends, knuckles, hubs, bearings, rotors, damper forks, lower control arms, upper control arms, swaybar, and radius rods. This may also include the front and rear lower crossmembers. This option is prohibitively expensive for most people.

The best, and most affordable option for a 5-lug conversion on a 5th gen Accord is in the tech writeup that I did on Accordingly Done. Ozarkbw posted a link to it. However, I cannot guarantee that this will work with a 4th gen Accord setup, they do have differing suspension components.

However, I've noted that the Attack comes with Audi TT wheels? These are 5x100 and this swap won't help you fit those wheels.